I think the first was that I grew up in a not great home situation. When asked what they were doing to teach their kids about finances, these were the answers. I think following the principles you had. And so, I’m trying to include them in those conversations. So, it’s retirement accounts and taxable investing accounts, invested in mutual funds. And by that time, I got out, it was $220,000 or so. Now if someone said they expected to get rich in a PA interview I'd tell them to go into finance and work on Wall Street because they are on the slow track to join the yacht club. This podcast is sponsored by Bob Bhayani at drdisabilityquotes.com. We always made sure we had enough money to be able to do that. Woman physician millionaire 5: And I think that I saw the value of hard work, consistent saving. Thank you. Hear the experiences of seven millionaires in this episode talk about how they did it. What advice do you have for those who are a decade or two behind you and wondering, “Hey, can I as a woman physician become a millionaire still?” What advice do you have for them? That's about what you make, right? Woman millionaire: Dr. Jim Dahle: What is the Pennsylvania Bulletin?. So, I would say other than my own personal issues of being a female in my family and not taking on the role of learning finances, it really hasn't impacted my career or my earnings at all. It is the temporary supplement to the Pennsylvania Code, which is the official codification of rule, regulations and other statutorily authorized documents.The Governor publishes executive orders, proclamations, and the like. It would have been nice to perhaps delve a little more into their specific portfolios and philosophy. I did make some deliberate career moves to make sure that I was placing myself in organizations that I knew were going to be friendly to women and who had leaders who were going to be supportive and could mentor me in my career path. Woman physician millionaire 2: How much is a house? He is still working. Very nice. There is a spectrum of savings and frugality. You had the duel high-income family. We are quite happy to be "DINKS" (dual income no kids) seeking "FIRE" (financial independence, retire early). And then it just depends on the year because we're a hundred percent RVU. And that was in 2017. It got me interested in finance. The podcast was great. Yeah, I was thinking about that. Woman physician millionaire 4: That's pretty good. And I came out at a time when emergency medicine was in high demand. And also, their environment is different than yours. I was completely ignorant of what was going on in terms of our accounts. So, I think my grandparents were really frugal and they actually ended up dying as millionaires. I've done all these bad things, but you can still get there if you're persistent with it and you really make a concerted effort to just kind of chip away at it and do the right thing on a regular basis. Jessica: But it's just a perception. So, the max that you can put in a 401(k) is, I don't know, like $15,000 or $12,000 or whatnot. Woman millionaire: I thought I’d probably get this feedback and we discussed it when deciding to add those questions after the first interview. Most of us will not become wealthy in this profession. So, if you're on the same page or not on how you save or spend or your value system, that can really help you or hurt you. If you go and look at the data, it's a pretty small percentage of physicians in their 60s that are worth more than $5 million. It's getting tiring. We probably could have paid it off pretty quickly, but we paid the minimum and then we would pay chunks. Woman physician millionaire 2: Dr. Jim Dahle: So, I don't really see any detriment or benefits. Woman millionaire: Woman millionaire: Five stars. That was really, really hard. It is. I'm a general adult psychiatrist and I'm 13 years out of training. Woman millionaire: You are given a critique, and ideas to explore further on how sexism affects women physician wealth , and you become defensive and condescending. Like, let's say I paid him like $5,000. Congratulations on your success. How far were you out of training, do you think when you became debt-free? ... You're not gonna become a millionaire with a minimum wage work ethic. The way I see it, I can be a typical American consumer and save about 10%, inflate my lifestyle and accommodations every few years, "live for the now" (aka spend for happiness), and retire at the typical age of 60-65 if I'm lucky. So, I stood out both by being a woman and being younger. Dr. Jim Dahle: I would say the best way to do it if anybody is a veteran would be to use your GI Bill, pay for medical school, go to a yellow ribbon school, do all you can to save, stay out of debt and live your dream. So, it's more time allocation I'd say than dollars. Woman physician millionaire 4: Jim’s podcast is really outstanding and I have learned so much by being a listener. Woman physician millionaire 3: Tone is always difficult to convey in the written word. 21 Comments This is a little different from most Friday Q&As. I wish I'd done that. All right. And what's that divided up into? I'm in a very, I don't want to say the lifestyle friendly specialty, but I'm not in the hospital all night, multiple times a week. And then she can exchange these gold coins for certain treats if she's earned up enough. Compound interest was mentioned. Dr. Jim Dahle: What seems absurd to you is normal for me, and there are people a few levels above me saving living on rice and beans, having no hobbies that cost money, and riding a bike everywhere...which I find unappealing. I take one suggestion and then get the opposite one. Dr. Jim Dahle: Though one did say it was important to have a plan B. Dr. Jim Dahle: I haven't been held back in any way. And there are some subjects that lend themselves well to a podcast. And we didn't take a lot of family trips. Dr. Jim Dahle: But we are chasing financial freedom and I have energy. There's no differences in salaries or anything like that. Yeah. It's my primary home. Women physician millionaire 1: I couldn't even tell you what the terms of those loans were or really even what I was signing up for, which is really terrible. Cindy has been working hard on this for the last couple of months, lining up all these interviews and we've been putting it all together. To get that first million in net worth? And so, thanks for being on the front lines and taking care of that. According to the Physician Assistant Education Association (PAEA) Research Program Report 32-Data from the 2016 Program Survey, the cost of PA school is as follows: None of these millionaires followed the exact same path. Right. //Time magazine recently estimated that for a millennial with 40 years until retirement, $1 million in savings is not likely sufficient. Dr. Jim Dahle: So, I would encourage anybody to do all they can to start early and always pay yourself first. So then as time goes on, you're going to see that reflected in the workforce. I think with medicine, you're at least in med school, you're getting close to parody between males and females in school and then… No. Dr. Jim Dahle: Dr. Jim Dahle: And I wasn't interested in doing that anymore. Dr. Jim Dahle: Woman physician millionaire 3: Woman physician millionaire 2: By Dr. Jim Dahle: Woman physician millionaire 3: And whether gender held you back in that pursuit or not. And a two-engineer household is pretty similar to a one physician household as far as income goes. And so that helps because they are modeling, they still worry about buying a pair of shoes and I just let them worry about the cost of it instead of telling them, “You can afford that pair of shoes”. When I signed my paperwork for loans for the first year of undergrad and then going forward for med school, my dad walked me through all of it. And then you can kind of say that the rest is history. One is if you have a partner. They loved hearing from these successful doctors and what they did to become successful. So, we decided to go ahead and sell the condo. There are basically six things going up there a week. Jessica: So, being a woman in engineering has always meant that I've been in the minority and that's not necessarily good or bad or ugly just is. As a non-doctor but high earning female in another field, I appreciate you including an engineer (even if that’s outside your target audience). Take a look at the blog. We're actually paying that off probably this week or next week. Jessica: And how do you balance that? Yeah, it was negative. I think my take home when I first graduated from college as an ensign was about $2,000 a month, maybe a little bit more. My parents did pay for undergrad, which was very helpful, but it was very clear from early on that from graduate school I’d be on my own. It's wearing on all of us. Was it negative? Dr. Jim Dahle: So, I have one home and that home is, I should say that home was paid. Woman physician millionaire 2: That's why I said $300,000 to $500,000. Your question made it seem like there is some inherent deficit moms have that prevent them from becoming millionaires. It's really not that hard. Though even those recommended paying attention to where your money is going and learning about finances and investing. I drive all my cars into the ground. I drive a Honda, make good money, have one child, and am very comfortable. I don't think being a female did anything. Wow. Just to kind of learn how to be organized with his money. Woman physician millionaire 3: And tell us about your upbringing. Straighten out your financial life today! But I'll say despite that, it's still hard. Do you think that's why you're so conservative and keep so much in cash? You just have a lot more on your radar and you have to kind of do more tradeoffs. So, I would encourage anybody to do all they can to start early and always pay yourself first.”. Woman millionaire: If they want to become like you, what would you tell them? Jessica: How much you make, how much of that you save, and that you invest it in some sort of reasonable way. You're not paid based on where you're from, what negotiate, et cetera, et cetera. 39 to 40 is when we crossed it. Woman millionaire: You can do well and do good. Woman physician millionaire 3: Okay. We actually live significantly more conservative than most of our peers in terms of neighbors and whatnot. Women physician millionaire 1: And if you want something you've got to go to work. A lot of moonlighting and a lot of side gigs. And I kind of focused on being a mom and parent. Don't shortchange yourself. Oh well. They never wanted for anything and we never wanted for anything. I got divorced once but i had a negative worth at the time . He always invested 15% to 20% of his income into the markets. A question unique to this group was whether being a woman helped or hindered their financial success. Woman physician millionaire 5: Women really have never crossed 20% for earning engineering degrees, and that's actually been on a slight decline since the early 2000s, so the number of women in the engineering workforce also tends to decline over time. I tried to calculate this out. I had an alcoholic father and that was a bit of a superpower because it allowed me to realize how I didn't want to end up. I know we all have varying standards of what constitutes an income ceiling but this profession still allows you to make a great life for yourself and loved ones, at least now. I couldn't believe it. You mentioned before we started recording that you have an eight-year-old and a fur baby. All Rights Reserved. So check back often and feel free to submit your own ideas down below. For me, I had in my mind that money and finances and earnings are bad things and we're to be altruistic all the time and not consider what we're earning or what our worth should be and what our value to others is. Woman physician millionaire 4: Dr. Jim Dahle: Woman physician millionaire 2: I got lucky because I’m a bit stereotypical woman but I think there's a lot of couples where the man often takes care of finances. Woman physician millionaire 5: Woman physician millionaire 2: Category: Investing, Personal Finance, Practice management. So, they're still living. © 2018 PhysicianAssistantForum.Com. Yeah, that's it. Well, my oldest just turned six. It's anyone's guess what will happen tomorrow, but for now this is still a pretty slick gig as far as income/hours worked is concerned. He specializes in working with residents and fellows early in their careers to set up sound financial and insurance strategies. I live very modestly. I mean, for most doctors is pretty negative. Dr. Jim Dahle: Woman physician millionaire 2: I honestly don't know. Zero. Dr. Jim Dahle: Did that affect how you manage money at all? Some of the women shared their mistakes from having a financial advisor that was not giving them good advice at a good price to buying a million dollar home and then selling it at a loss. Woman physician millionaire 2: Like I've always had a job and then kind of a side job, whether it be just shifts at another group or telemedicine job or just something else. And I had to live in nanny, which was really challenging. Dr. Jim Dahle: Prior to going to medical school, I had a career in the Navy where I completed an entire service obligation prior to going to medical school. Okay. Woman physician millionaire 5: I had some solid college savings, so my parents did help with college, with the savings, as well as from their current income. the Nurse Practitioner/Physician Assistant will perform medical acts, tasks, and functions under the supervision of a physician, and in accordance with rules… Thanks for the valuable feedback. Dr. Jim Dahle: But no, I'm not in that range.Â. Second factor was hard work. Dr. Jim Dahle: It is awesome to have several millionaires all in one episode to learn from. I've bought like three new cars. Medicine is not easy. Our quote of the day today comes from Charlie Ellis, who said, “For most investment managers, portfolio management is neither an art nor a science. Woman millionaire: Great podcast. We've got a mortgage. Woman physician millionaire 2: Woman physician millionaire 2: So, if you break the investments downs, that's about a 60/40 splits stock to bonds. And apparently, I started out first year of college making $54,000 and then my highest paying year was $269,000. And I happened to get one job and stick with it for the 16 years. They’re just very focused and intentional with their money,” says Hogan. Dr. Jim Dahle: Dr. Jim Dahle: But I think you have to remember I should say you should know that I'm non-traditional. And is your partner working? How much debt do you have currently? They paid for school or have you received an inheritance or was this all from your earning? Physician assistants work in all areas of medicine, including primary care and family medicine, emergency medicine, surgery, and psychiatry. Clear editor. Yeah, sure. Women physician millionaire 1: Cool. Woman millionaire: That really does help get the word out about the podcast and help us share it with others. Dr. Jim Dahle: Where do we want to live? Topping the list is New York, with New Hampshire and Vermont close behind in second and third. 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